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ODDER THAN OZ
By: Hugh Downs

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 What do you suppose Alan Greenspan, Judy Garland, and the American Civil war have in common?  Give up?  They are all connected to turn-of-the-century U.S. monetary policy, of course! Not so obvious? Let me explain.

 Just before the American Civil War broke out, Americans used dollar bills that had been issued by banks. The government didn't make any money, except coins. When the war began, the government (like all governments at war,) needed a great deal of money fast. President Lincoln decided to print it just like banks did. These early government notes were called "greenbacks" and, as you might expect, printing all those greenbacks led to rampant inflation.

Eventually, about 15 years after the war was over, people who held Federal notes, the greenbacks, could redeem them for gold coin. Few people bothered to make this trade because the war was long over, gold reserves were healthy, and people had faith in the government. Money was once again backed by real gold, but this created a new problem. The government could not print any more money that was not backed by gold, and that constricted the money supply.

People who already had money, that is rich people, didn't want any more money added to the supply because an inflated money supply, devalues savings. Inflation is always bad for people with money because their money becomes less valuable. But people without money, especially poor farmers, were clamoring for the government to print more. Inflation always helps the poor because debts can be repaid in cheaper dollars and money becomes more available for loans, investments, for everything. By 1874 a new political party called the Greenback Party demanded that the government mint unlimited amounts of coin, print more paper money and give $50 to every U.S. citizen. Poor farmers were demanding an inflationary monetary policy.

The Greenback Party dissolved in about 10 years, but a new party emerged and took up the inflationary baton. They were known as the Populist Party and legions of Midwestern and Southern farmers joined. The Populists eventually supported the Democrats because both parties were part of the Free Silver Movement. Remember the problem with the gold standard: the government couldn't print any more without discovering more gold to back it up. The Free Silver Movement wanted the government to add silver as yet another standard, in addition to gold. Having two standards would allow the government to inflate the money supply and provide relief to farmers. The price of crops had plummeted but debts still had to be paid in gold backed currency.

On July 8, 1896, during the Democratic national convention, a young 36 year old congressman named William Jennings Bryan gave a brilliant rhetorical flourish to the crowd's sentiments. Bryan exclaimed: "You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind on a cross of gold."  The ecstatic crowd elected William Jennings Bryan as their presidential candidate.

The "cross of gold," of course, referred to the single standard; the rigid link between gold and money. The gold standard, favored by Eastern bankers and financiers, was also known as the "hard money policy." Bryan and his friends championed bi-metallism instead. With two standards, the government could create and back more money - a policy known as "easy money." Farmers were burdened by bank mortgages on their farms. They were forced to borrow gold backed notes. But the price of gold continued to go up, while the price for crops continued to go down. If U.S. monetary policy eased the money supply, farmers might have a chance to survive.

William Jennings Bryan lost the 1896 election to William McKinley. He lost again to McKinley in 1900 and then, in 1908, Bryan lost yet another presidential election to William Howard Taft. But the dream of a looser money supply, and hatred of Eastern bankers lingered on. The Democratic and Progressive Parties, and others, adopted some of the economic principles forged in the Greenback and Populist Parties. Most interesting, though, is that the spirit of the Free Silver Movement and its resentment for Eastern bankers found its way into one of America's most original fairy tales: the Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

In 1900, Frank Baum, the author of the Wizard of Oz, was a staunch supporter of the Free Silver Movement and, like many Americans at the time, he distrusted the East coast banking establishment. And now we learn a fascinating story told to us by anthropologist Jack Weatherford. Weatherford tells us, in his new book THE HISTORY OF MONEY, that Baum's tale of Oz is a thinly disguised parable of turn-of-the-century monetary policy. The Wizard of Oz is the wizard of the gold ounce, the abbreviation of ounce is, of course, oz.

Dorothy, the lead character made famous in the screen version by Judy Garland, represented the average rural American. Dorothy, says Weatherford, was probably modeled on the populist orator Leslie Kelsey who was known as "the Kansas Tornado." Dorothy, and Toto, are flung by the tornado to the East where they discover the Yellow Brick Road - meaning a gold road. The road leads to Oz "where the wicked witches and wizards of banking operate."

The Scarecrow is the American farmer. The Tin Woodman is the American factory worker, and the Cowardly Lion is William Jennings Bryan. Weatherford says: "The party's march on Oz is a re-creation of the 1894 march of Coxey's Army, a group of unemployed men led by ... Jacob S. Coxey to demand (a) public issue of 500 million greenbacks...for (the) common people." The Wizard himself represented Marcus Hanna who controlled both the Republican Party and the McKinley administration. The Munchkins "were the simpleminded people of the East who did not understand how the wizard ... pulled the levers ... that controlled the money, the economy, and the government."

The simpleminded residents of Oz were required to wear green tinted glasses fastened by gold buckles. Off to the West, the Wicked Witch of the West had enslaved the yellow Winkies, which Weatherford explains, "is a reference to the imperialist aims of the Republican administration, which had captured the Phillipines from Spain and refused to grant them independence."

At the end of the story the Wizard and the Witches are exposed as crude fakes. This dramatic revelation makes everything better. The scarecrow, who represents the farmer, discovers that he is really intelligent and not stupid. The Cowardly Lion, who is really William Jennings Bryan, finds courage. And the Tin Woodman, actually the American factory worker, "received a new source of strength in a bimetallic tool - a golden axe with a blade of silver."

In the original edition of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, Dorothy returns to Kansas by clicking the heels of her silver slippers together. The moviemakers decided that red looked better on screen than silver and that's the way most of us remember the tale. As you can see, and thanks to Jack Weatherford for pointing it out, most of us have completely forgotten the secret story behind the Wizard of Oz.

Today, the Federal Reserve Bank determines America's monetary policy, but the Fed wasn't created until 1913. The modern equivelent of the Wizard of Oz - or Marcus Hanna - is, of course, the ever-charming Alan Greenspan. So now you know. The Civil War, Judy Garland and Alan Greenspan, really are connected.

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JB (Dec 09th 2009, 07:55 PM)

 

The thing about wisdom is that it escapes many as evidenced by silly comments. Simple, seamingly small issues effect our relations and basic understanding with considerable effect (positives or negative). Be clear on this... Anything of value is good parenting.

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Dennis Cimo (Dec 03rd 2009, 11:01 PM)

 

I was the sound engineer at a recent perfomance of OZ. By the third showing, I had an AHA God moment and realized that the message was that we all seem to keep searching even though God has already provided us with all that we need. ie: courage, a heart, a brain, a way home.

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Paul S. (Dec 03rd 2009, 04:58 AM)

 

So now I know how blah, blah, and blah are connected. Funny, I still couldn't care less and barely survived reading the article. Don't know if Hugh Downs is correct or not with his facts, nor whether he is of sound mind, oh..............I really don't care at this point! There are probably many complicated schemes afoot by the enemy of God at many levels. Who can really be sure of specifics? This article sounds like useless dribble to helping me father this day.

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Eric (Dec 02nd 2009, 07:18 AM)

 

I was a little skeptical of this article before reading it Joe. I agree this is not the proper forum for politics, unless it relates to parenting. The symbolism this article points out is far beyond anything today's children will pick up on. The history is beyond them. The point of the article is to monitor what your children are watching closely. We as parents ARE SOLEY RESPONSIBLE for what they see. The FREEDOMS we enjoy in this country depend on our vigilance not the governments. Therefore this article is on topic, albeit, vaguely. The topic is PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY.

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nathan (Dec 02nd 2009, 02:27 AM)

 

Well....bye!

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Ben (Dec 01st 2009, 10:57 PM)

 

After following this thread I notice a few balanced opinions and then an unhealthy dose of intolerance, fundamentalism, and narrow mindedness. None of which I allow my children to develop. If this is reflective of All Pro Dad then I am in the wrong element. I will cancel my Team membership tonight.

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davolf (Dec 01st 2009, 09:59 PM)

 

Disney is now run by the same zionist/hollywood crowd that so negatively influences our society. They have a decidedly anti-Christian agenda. Vigilantcitizen.com has a good article on the occult symbolism of the wiz of oz. It also has very interesting articles on the occult symbolism of the mtv awards and vma awards and lady caca.

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Frank (Dec 01st 2009, 01:55 PM)

 

Rich...if you are going to use such sophisticated language, the least you can do is spell it correctly. It is "allegory" not "alagory".

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Tom (Dec 01st 2009, 01:05 PM)

 

I agree with the message about controlling access to the television, and some of the messages my son gets aren't the most well-rounded. As much as I love Disney, they haven't made a 'people' cartoon in many years (princess and frog is new), and after years of the lion king, nemo and happy feet, my autistic son is much more worried about a tree getting chopped down or the melting ice caps than the destitute people around the world or even those suffering in our 'hood.

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Scott A (Dec 01st 2009, 12:55 PM)

 

I wonder if anyone is going to write an analysis of Alice in Wonderland which is being redone in a more dark and morbid fashion than the previous Disney movie. I think Johnny Depp is the Mad Hatter. Children fall in love with the stories we read to them or let them watch on TV or the movies. I still remember watching Bambi in the 60's and hating the hunters in the movies. Isn't it ironic that I enjoy hunting now? The inuendo these stories give does not affect our children until they are older. When they grow up, they take their childhood with them to their children. No Bambi in my house... ;)

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Joe Stallone (Dec 01st 2009, 11:50 AM)

 

After reading the commentary I started I feel more certain than ever that this was a wrong example of an excellent point...perhaps I just don't follow those of you quoting scripture over this topic. Remember that we are role models and our children are watching and learning from us constantly. Time spent with your children, be it watching television or playing a game or even just share a chair reading, is the most important thing we do. TV is not a baby sitter, its a tool and like any tool, when used correctly it works great and when used wrong, it can be disasterous. Sharing face time is what I value most.

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Dan (Dec 01st 2009, 10:51 AM)

 

oooohhh, that one always gets to me when someone takes scripture out of context.... "Judge not YE HYPOCRITE lest ye be judged." Then the following verses explain to correct your own walk before you can see fit to correct someone elses....but it DOES say to correct the walk - in other words, to judge and to judge correctly. That stuff doesn't fly here.

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Michael (Dec 01st 2009, 10:30 AM)

 

Brad-Remember what the bible says about judgement of others.

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No spin here.... (Dec 01st 2009, 10:26 AM)

 

Interesting article, but because an author writes a book as a pseudonym for the times with a political slant doesn't mean you're a crazed fanatic for revealing it. Animal Farm was about communism in the 50's, and Puff the Magic Dragon was a song about...you get the point. Recent Disney movies ALWAYS have a promoted moral agenda. I didn't see the commentary as a slant, just explaining the author's slant. It's interesting, but I don't think it's something that should be on this site - not because it's wrong or bad - because it's more of an editorial then an advice column.

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Trevor (Dec 01st 2009, 02:07 AM)

 

Rich, I understand your point. As a rationalist I have had to "filter' much of what I read here. But there is much you can learn...if you can filter out the beliefs that don't jive with yours (even if they are fear driven and not something you want to teach your children). Please don't go...I'd hate to be alone!

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Trevor (Dec 01st 2009, 02:06 AM)

 

Doug 2...well said!

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Doug2 (Dec 01st 2009, 12:49 AM)

 

The statement by the other Doug, at 12:42pm, 11/30, is hilarious and exactly right. Does it really matter if the original book had hidden innuendos about the old gold standard which a) the movie doesn't seem to care about, and b) neither I nor my young children care about? I am a Christian but I must say that for those with extremist views to use this article as a jumping off point to begin declaring "The sky is falling", and there is a secretive, X-Files type of shadow government under the tutelage of Satan himself is an example of why some non-Christians think we are kooky.

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DrTinz (Nov 30th 2009, 11:48 PM)

 

What a bunch of baloney. Don't forget that The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is just one of the 16 books of the Oz series. Simply a fairy tale. And the movie is very different from the book anyway. Dads, do be careful of what your children watch but forget about the conspiracy theories.

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Tommy Christopherson (Nov 30th 2009, 11:20 PM)

 

I watched the Wizard of Oz every year as a child with the blessing of my parents. Years later as I became spiritually more aware of things, I was amazed that I had not seen the evil that the movie promotes. Forget about the gold standard or the Free Silver Movement, there is no such thing as a good witch - all of them practice wickedness. If you approach things with some spiritual insight, you will not take your spiritual enemy for granted. Our children need to us to be discerning fathers.

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Stephen Fisher (Nov 30th 2009, 10:44 PM)

 

I guess I'm naive. The moral of the story as I interpreted and explained the life lesson to my daughter after multiple years of watching OZ is simply that the best things in life are right before your eyes. It's only what you make of them. Don't go searching any further than your own back yard. 'Guess the writers missed their mark with me. I'll keep my own simple interpretation.

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Brad (Nov 30th 2009, 10:26 PM)

 

If it is your intent to raise your child to be tolerant of abhorent behavior in accordance with contemporary secular liberalism, then I feel sorry for your child.

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rich (Nov 30th 2009, 09:11 PM)

 

A friend signed me up for all pro dads, and as a new dad I was excited. I had noticed a little tilt that I wasn't to fond of, but today's is the breaking point. Wizard of Oz and secret messages? Maybe an alagory, ok. What really concerns me is the other comments here - and the type of conservative extremists that are anti-tolerance. I will be canceling my name from the list, and raising my daughter to believe what is rational and proven, not mystical and blind.

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John Caddy (Nov 30th 2009, 07:21 PM)

 

Of course all pro dads has a religious element to it. It isnt hidden. Christ and Dads are both important in a childs life.

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Josh Carlin (Nov 30th 2009, 06:59 PM)

 

josh-jesscarlin@hotmail.com

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Ben (Nov 30th 2009, 06:59 PM)

 

This is really a good point that APD is attempting to make, monitoring what our children watch on TV. I've set parental controls on all my sets, and limit the amount of TV. I like the NFL's approach with the Play60 program. However, I must say that there's likely a ton of movies made over the years that have meanings behind meanings. Some may be political, some religious, whatever. But I've sat through lots of "kids" movies and caught "adult" humor that the kids just didn't catch. It wasn't bad, just something tossed in there for the "older" viewers. I see that in a lot of programs and movies. The way it's presented in this article is almost like the Oz is a sinister attempt to subject viewers to some subliminal message that will corrupt and manipulate minds. Sorry, you really turned me off and from the blog it appears you turned off a lot of APDs. I suggest anyone may want to look at a way to redirect the energy to a more positive message of just monitoring what our kids consume from the tube.

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Josh Carlin (Nov 30th 2009, 06:52 PM)

 

I should also mention that everything going on in this country is stated in the bible and must come to pass before our Savior returns. Praise The Lord!! If you do not know Christ as your personal savior, now is the time! Email me if you want to start your relationship with Him. It's quick, simple and FREE. The dept has already been paid.

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slim (Nov 30th 2009, 06:45 PM)

 

your smokin some good stuff

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Bob (Nov 30th 2009, 06:39 PM)

 

I think most of you guys should lighten up. I learned a lot from this article, and regarding hidden agendas, there is a real force working in entertainment and most public schools today that should be watched very closely. On another note...My chapter is most certainly a religious group that provides much more than a bonding time between fathers and children. We are growing men in the Lord and developing incredible character in our children. We serve others in the community and most of the children are honor students who lead bible studies or student council, and are looked upon as leaders themselves. Our APD chapter has been an integral part in changing hearts. Children's lives, marriages, and men have been impacted by our time together.

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Josh Carlin (Nov 30th 2009, 06:29 PM)

 

You better believe there are hidden agendas in just about everything you watch or listen to. The government has their hand in far more than some of you would care to know. Here's a WARNING...We are loosing our freedom and being forced into an "Elites Only" world. It's the truth, take it or leave it. The Wizard of Oz just proves what is possible to do right under our noses.

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S. Cook (Nov 30th 2009, 06:21 PM)

 

I guess I'm a little confused about All Pro Dads. It was presented at my children's school as a nonreligious, bonding time for children and their dads. I guess you DO have to look for hidden meanings in all things, including organizations at your children's school.

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Robert (Nov 30th 2009, 05:27 PM)

 

While I find this article a very interesting read, it appears that this article posted here months ago has nothing to do with warning dads or kids. It is simply written as an interpretation of a literary work. Any dad who visitis the APD site or signs up for the play of the day is certainly aware that we need to watch what our kids watch, and look out for hidden messages in commercials, programming and writing. Duh. I don't see this as promoting a particular political view, but I am having a hard time identifying any real purpose for having it posted here. There seems to be no point in the tone or message within this article except that the Wizard of Oz has some sort of seven degrees of separation between Judy Garland and Alan Greenspan. Obscure history, fascinating connection, but ultimately meaningless to those who are using this sight to gain insight in taking are about our kids. Move on, nothing to see here...

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Allen (Nov 30th 2009, 04:58 PM)

 

I would trust that those objecting would agree with the statement: We as parents should pay attention to the entertainment our kids read, watch, and listen to. That's all this example is trying to show. Just as we should watch what our kids each to ensure their bodies are healthy, we should watch what entertainment they "consume" so their minds are healthy, too. By choosing an example of a film over 50 years old, Oz example is a pretty innocuous, but interesting, example of how someone can use entertainment to reach our kids with a message we -- or may not -- want our kids to hear. Rather than mindlessly plop our kids in front of a movie or show, we need to be discerning as parents, pay attention to what our kids are doing, and engage in their entertainment right along with them. It's part of our job as a parent. Some families will be sensitive to violence in entertainment and want to manage their family accordingly ... others will be careful about bad language ... some will want to look out for values messages they deem inappropriate ... and still others may say, it's all fair game. It's a family-by-family decision. For what it is worth, I've found www.pluggedin.com as a valuable resource for our family to do this.

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Ken (Nov 30th 2009, 04:30 PM)

 

Or, maybe, it's just a fun story about a girl who dreams about a magical faraway place called Oz.... We should be discerning about what our kids (and their parents) watch, but let's not look for the bogeyman behind every facade.

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Scott Himes (Nov 30th 2009, 03:50 PM)

 

I think APD is right on the money here. As father's we are instructed or at least held responsible, for our children's growth. In all aspects of their life, including politics. And just as we guide our children through various other life events, our political thoughts will also continue to drive them until they are at an age where they can rationalize for themselves, and begin to have conversations about events, movies, etc.

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Kevin Kline (Nov 30th 2009, 03:45 PM)

 

While I agree with the sentiment that hidden meanings can be a problem for dads round the world, I also think that this story is a great example of worry about a "mote" in the neighbor's eye. Sometimes, kids just like to dress in costumes and get free candy with no thought of Satan jumping out and grabbing them. I know my history and I recognize that many of the metaphors explained in the story are very plausible. But when they're buried that deep, well, it's just a feel good story about the underdog who beats all odds - and nothing more. And as for Thadd in comment #8. Please study your history. The main theory for Western government for centuries was exactly the opposite of what you claim. It was called the divine right of kings, was supported by Scripture, and stated that kings were appointed and ordained by God to rule over the common people.

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Rob (Nov 30th 2009, 03:23 PM)

 

I don't see how this post actually qualifies as political commentary. The point is that entertainment media often reflect a social/political agenda or a world view of the author. Who is actually surprised by that last statement? It qualifies as a "no duh." Religious texts and fairytales all have an underlying agenda. That's actually the purpose of literature. Regardless of the fact that the post wasn't intended to be political statement, so what if it was? "If you don't take an interest in politics, politics will take an interest in you." and possibly the rest of your family. Avoiding thorny political and social issues doesn't make one a better dad. It makes one ignorant, and thus a worse dad. I welcome political discussion here. The only way to truly understand any author's agenda is to understand the context. Since the Wizard of Oz movie never made any allusions to early 20th century politics, it seems incredibly unlikely that anyone would see through to the underlying context in Baum's mind, except for those looking for the context. Apparently they found what they were looking for. No child ever got the message that Frank Baum may or may not have intended without specific guidance to see it there. If Baum had a message, it was so cloaked in fantastic images, I think it best just to take Baum at his word that it was a story entirely for kids. Political imagery may have peppered the story, but that would have been intended for adults, not children. So it seems to me that the point for dads as they consider entertainment media is to ask: what is the context of the media; is there an overt message being directed to an audience member; and as a leader/teacher of my children, how should I best help them understand and engage the message?

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Andy (Nov 30th 2009, 03:16 PM)

 

I agree with Joe "Sylvester" Stallone. Yo Adrian!!!!

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Trevor (Nov 30th 2009, 03:01 PM)

 

If any one's child recognized the hidden agenda/meaning suggested here....then praise God...you have a genius on your hand! My silly 9 year old daughter just doesn't get it. She interpreted it similarly to the Jungian writer Robert Hopcke, who suggested that the dreary reality of Kansas implies the presence of homophobia and transphobia for gay viewers and is contrasted with the colorful and accepting land of Oz. As she explained, when shown in gay venues, it is "transformed into a rite celebrating acceptance and community." But she's only 9. I can't wait to share this more OBVIOUS message. All Pro Dad...good point, bad example. You may have done better using an example where kids are manipulated to believe the earth is only 5000 years old. Far more insidious and dangerous to our kids.

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Dan (Nov 30th 2009, 02:44 PM)

 

Good comments everyone. I had heard from a news documentary awhile back, that this movie was produced at that time as a means to deal with the question of whether or not USA should enter WWII. (so this adds yet another layer to the earlier book writing reasons) Had America lost its courage, would it have the manufacturing might, etc. The giant fearful wizard of Oz face turned out to actually be a mere midget behind the curtain who was controlling all the gadgets and levers. This was meant to be the "all we have to fear is fear itself" message. Very interesting psychology in the movie for America wrestling with the issue of facing/entering the second world war..."we are not in Kansas anymore" --- can't hide any longer from what is happening out there kind of thing. Sorry to those who are uncomfortable with political discussion...but still very interesting stuff.

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JJ (Nov 30th 2009, 02:17 PM)

 

Very interesting – both the article and the responses. If you were like me, you clicked on the “Here’s one Theory” before reading the further. I agree with the comments that political ideals should stay out of All Pro Dad however: after reading the comments I decided to go back to the main page and finish reading the article. Indeed, after reading the rest of the article my faith in All Pro Dad’s message was brought back to center stage. My suggestion to all of you is to continue reading the rest of the message. My suggestion to All Pro Dad – put the link at the end of the article.

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Greg (Nov 30th 2009, 02:15 PM)

 

This was a bizarre choice for today's email. What's going on over there at APD?

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Fr. Wade Fahnestock (Nov 30th 2009, 02:12 PM)

 

In my opinion, part of 'fathering' is preparing children for the onslaught of diverse ideologies, religious traditions, political agendas, etc. This is all a part of "how to work and play well with others.' The point of the story is that whether it is the Chronicles of Narnia, Harry Potter, Star Wars or The Wizard of Oz, children will benefit from dads who recognized possible agendas & interpretations relating to all forms of media. Choosing to ignore 'hidden messages' - regardless of the content of the message - is just like ignoring the warning "PARENTS STRONGLY CAUTIONED: Some content may be inappropriate..." So perhaps an "All Pro Dad," knowing that some political topics & mock elections are held in schools, will at least use this knowledge to better prepare children on how to agree / disagree in a proper framework, instead of taking the opinions & messages of others so personal. My 2 cents. Your mileage may vary. w+

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Monte Moire (Nov 30th 2009, 01:58 PM)

 

Great article with an interesting twist. I had to smile when I read this story. People can choose to see anything they like. For decades, people in the gay community had a fond regard for The Wizard of Oz, perhaps because it could be described as a bunch of misfits finding their way in the world. If you look hard enough and use a little creative licence, anybody can find anything in a movie like this. Interpretation is everything.

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Thadd (Nov 30th 2009, 01:45 PM)

 

There's a big picture that Americans must wake up to. The Bible says that Satan is the ruler of this world. This means that governments have their authority from the prince of darkness. The Wizard of Oz story reflects the truth of what we should recognize in our own government. There is a "shadow government" and it is Global in nature. It is controlled by money through centralized banks. The U.S. is under this same control in the guise of the Federal Reserve bank. Check out a book called "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G Edward Griffin. or look him up on youtube. It's time for Christians & Americans to wake up to Truth.

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Eric (Nov 30th 2009, 01:31 PM)

 

I think this was a great example of how even the most innocuous movie or book can have meaning other than the obvious. I take it as nothing more than a wake up call that I should pay more attention to what my kids are reading. For example, my wife and I just looked through our daughter's school history book, where we discovered 2 paragraphs dedicated to Christ and Christianity but an entire chapter dedicated to Islam. I am not against teaching about the history of other religions in history because they all played a part but at least be fair in the coverage. This was a very interesting article; thank you.

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Dave C (Nov 30th 2009, 01:29 PM)

 

I agree, this seemed a bit far reaching to make the point about hidden agendas. This particular article appears to have mixed reviews. I do think that All Pro Dad can and should encourage and equip Dads with tools to not take a blind eye to what goes on in the news and media, but rather create an open forum with our kids to discuss these topics with our kids emphasizing the truth of God's word in contrast to the many lies, mixed messages and hidden agendas that our kids face each day.

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Spencer (Nov 30th 2009, 01:22 PM)

 

All Pro Dad is a WONDERFUL organization but not really appropriate for political views. The story was interesting, but can be taken the wrong way (as our forum shows). Lets watch for hidden agendas by keeping them out of All Pro Dads. Love the organization....keep up the good work.

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Josh Carlin (Nov 30th 2009, 01:16 PM)

 

Politicians need our prayers in all accounts, but especially due to their own hidden agendas. I won't name political figures names, but we as a country put WAY too much faith in our broken government and FAR too little in our Creator and Savior. Our country is falling fast and hard...what better place to come together, share ideas and pray for it than All Pro Dad?

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Bill (Nov 30th 2009, 01:11 PM)

 

I must agree with the above comments....All Pro Dad is not the appropriate forum for political views and supposition. Maybe all of the above story is 100 % true, but how does this help with life building skills? Helping men become good fathers is where its at.

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Nate (Nov 30th 2009, 01:11 PM)

 

Unfortunately, history is ripe with politics. Hidden meanings aren't always bad - My wife and I just had this conversation about the trap of TV and movies and there is research past and present that talk about brain activity and and the stimulation of flashing light (the TV) and auditory sounds. Always remember that the worlds goal is to distract us and those closest to us from the things that are truly important. You don't have to know the answers; just be willing to have the conversation.

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Joel Smith (Nov 30th 2009, 01:11 PM)

 

Gentleman, You miss the point of awarness that is being shared here. Politics is not the point, only what was viewed through this particllar window (example). "The Wizard of Oz" story was also used here due to the recent re-tellings of this classic story to come upon the big screen and TV.

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Dan Clark (Nov 30th 2009, 01:10 PM)

 

I agree that political agendas should not be a focus here. However, I don't feel that was the case and am following in line with 'pe' in that the focus of this blurb was not to encourage one's views, but to show us how the most seemingly innocent movie can have such strong undertones hidden in its own agenda. I know I struggle myself with things I think are funny or comical, but I know are not pleasing to God. How can I be the example to my own children with such unwholesome programs on my television?

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Darryl (Nov 30th 2009, 01:07 PM)

 

I agree with Joe's comment earlier - let's keep political agenda's out of All Pro Dad.

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Matt (Nov 30th 2009, 01:07 PM)

 

......and if you play Pink Floyd's THE WALL while watching Wizard of Oz with some hash...browns........watch out........ Maybe I'm naive but in my 40 years Wizard of Oz has been and probably always will be just The Wizard of Oz to me. I don't see that being any different for most people.

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Rob (Nov 30th 2009, 01:07 PM)

 

Joe, this wasn't a political statement. The author just wants us (and it is a good idea) to realize that their is hidden messages in a lot of things. Good dads need to be aware of this. The wizard of oz is a great example.

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DaBear (Nov 30th 2009, 01:07 PM)

 

All, I tend to agree with Joe's comment (non-political content only on All Pro). I remember in the early 1980's, the Christian "movement" to find subliminal messages on rock records played backwards. Oy vey! I agree with being vigilent, however, every book and TV show and movie could have a "hidden agenda"...depends on one's perspective and the energy devoted to research each author, playwright and producer. Best regards!

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Ian Pravata (Nov 30th 2009, 01:06 PM)

 

L. Frank Baum published his book in 1900. Almost forty years later, in 1939 Victor Fleming directed the movie. Baum died in 1919 (twenty years before the movie was made) and obviously had no input in the movie version. While the book likely was inspired by the money politics, the movie may not have been. My point is, don't go throwing away that DVD just yet!

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Henry Burrow (Nov 30th 2009, 01:06 PM)

 

I understand your point, it is just that there are meanings behind everything. Most shows your children watch today have a message, good or bad, be sure to set down with your children and watch the latest Disney show they are watching and see what message is being sent. Good or bad

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Tim Sleeman (Nov 30th 2009, 01:05 PM)

 

All Pro Dad was simply giving a history lesson and was non-partisan in my opinion. Much appreciated reading!

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Roy (Nov 30th 2009, 01:04 PM)

 

I understand the intent of the All Pro Dad message, but it is much too complicated a topic to be discussed in this forum, especially since it touches on politics. Once that happens, brains tend to be shut off to the real story. Most people, and especially kids, miss the hidden messages. Stuff like this really satifies only those who put out the message. It is usually lost on everyone else and this was a good example.

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Perry Sukstorf (Nov 30th 2009, 01:02 PM)

 

Joe, the point of the Play of the Day is to be aware of the hidden agendas of what we watch with our families. This accompanying article merely illustrates how this happens right under our noses in a very vivid way. I don't thing POTD was asking us to agree or disagree with any particular monetary policy.

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Martin (Nov 30th 2009, 01:02 PM)

 

I neither agree nor disagree the above article does not seem to me to shoving anyone's political agenda (especially on 100 years old) down anyones throat, but simply pointing out that most of the things that are geared towards our children have some hidden agendas. Like Alice in Wonderland (actually about the war of roses) or the underlying satire and sexual innuendos in Shrek. Not too mention cartoons like Family Guy and American Dad that are in no way approrpiate for kids.

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John (Nov 30th 2009, 12:56 PM)

 

Henry Littlefield should have received credit in this article for it was his ideology and teachings that led to the idea that WoO is a parable for these political topics. There are other theories that it is representative of sex and drug use. Unfortunately, Hugh Downs decided to abuse the trust of the All Pro Dad subscriber and jump on his simplistic political platform or "rich vs poor"/ "Republican vs Democrat". All Pro Dad should immediately issue an apology.

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Eric (Nov 30th 2009, 12:55 PM)

 

I agree that APD is not a political forum, but I think the point is that we need to be aware for potential hidden agendas and messages... although I would have never found that one : ) interesting though, wonder if Pink Floyd knew.

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pe (Nov 30th 2009, 12:55 PM)

 

i think the point is that, as fathers, we should understand agendas (hidden or otherwise) in what our kids watch and read, especially as it relates to the principles we are trying to teach them. it's not at all rare that authors or directors use a story line to send a message to their audiences. it's our responsibility to understand it and respond accordingly.

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Tim (Nov 30th 2009, 12:55 PM)

 

I don't find this story backing a particular party, but giving us a little thought-provoking historical information. I thought it was great!!!

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CJ (Nov 30th 2009, 12:52 PM)

 

Wake up Joe! The APD article was about knowing what your kids are watching AND you must watch closely, as illustrated by the OZ article. TV is NOT a good baby-sitter and almost always bad for our kids, compared to almost any other activity. I watch movies with my kids for quiet time and am interested IF Disney or any other Corporation is trying to advance their political adgenda by subtle innuendo or obvious statements, and appreciate this author's explanation/observations. Keep up the great work All Pro Dad!!!

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Doug (Nov 30th 2009, 12:42 PM)

 

I'm certain my 2 year old daughter, who loved watching the Wizard of Oz last week, wasn't following the hidden monitory policy agenda.

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Todd (Nov 30th 2009, 12:38 PM)

 

Wow. I haven't seen the movie in forever, but it makes me want to watch again just to see what I may have missed! Thought provoking for sure.

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Joe Stallone (Nov 30th 2009, 12:35 PM)

 

Agree or dis-agree I don't feel All Pro Dad is the appropriate forum to levy political views. Staying on topic and helping men become good fathers should be a very non-political thing.

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